Where to invest an autosurf or a HYIP?
June 20, 2007
I have receiving many emails with this question. Where is safer to invest an Autosurf or a HYIP? If is my choice I will recommend more an autosurf than a hyip.
Why an Autosurf?
I have been in this industry more than 2 years at the moment and have been investing in autosurf 80% more than hyips. Investing in hyips have been for me more a loss than profits instead of autosurf that have been out 8/10 in profits (Every 10 autosurf 8 have been in HUGE profits).
There are some points why I think autosurfs are better than hyips:
- Autosurfs admins have to “invest” more in hosting than a hyip. An Autosurf use more server loads than a hyip.
- Autosurf admin need more time to get back what he/she invested in their program. (Server costs, advertising costs and time).
- I have seen many autosurfs admins that in the past have been also an admin of HYIPs. That means that managing an autosurf is not easy for a newbie.
- The script is more complicated than a HYIP script (goldcoders for example).
- The plans of an autosurf makes the program live longer than hyips. There are some ridiculous plans that I have seen with hyips like make 150% in 3 days, or 120% in one day.
- If the admin has a good plan or don’t want to scam his members and “TRY” to make an “Mid-Ponzi” autosurf. He can generate income from advertising, affiliate programs, forex and all the bla bla that you always hear. That’s true they can do it but with a good plan (is difficult and risky).
- 70% of the time you can predict when the autosurf have problems and will close. With hyips I am not good at it.
- With a good research that I made will tell you that most of the autosurfs live more than one cycle, and that means that you can make profits! I wish every autosurf make his first cycle AT LEAST ! 
In my opinion the autosurf industry can be changed and can be running without being a ponzi scheme is difficult because for sure there will be days/weeks that the returns are 0% or less, and when the user see this kind of returns they will take it as a “Red Flag” when it shows that the program IS NOT PONZI. Every business have their days/weeks/months of loss why not an autosurf?
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June 20th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
agree with you carlos autosurfs are much better than hyips sometimes I join a hyip if any blogger that I trust recommend it
June 20th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
Sometimes I join a HYIP if the admin is well known but not all the time it works. Like 9planetnosurf.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
that is right money 9planetnosurf was a big surprise and was really obvious that this supposed respectable blogger scammed us he even did not finished the first round or I am wrong?
June 20th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
9planetnosurf made their first cycle but in the started the refunds.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
I agree with carlos autosurfs are much better and less risky than hyips but with all e-gold problems I followed what etalkmoney recommended to not deposit big in programs those days till everything is cleared up
June 20th, 2007 at 8:48 pm
you forgot something carlos that autosurf admins have more work to do and may be this can cause the close of his program and run with little money
June 20th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Investor: But also remember that admin will not lose all their time to scam or take out “Little” money
remember the word greedy?
June 21st, 2007 at 6:18 am
I agree with that post, is really hard to predict an HYIP and really harder to find an honest admin in the HYIP arena, since is easier to do so in autosurf sites, and of course you are getting some hits “for what is worth”…just my opinion.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:05 am
I totally agree with you Carlos
that’s why I focuss on autosurfhyip.info more on the top 5 than the hyip all the loss in my portfolio is from hyip games like mygoldgenie (what a scammer)
June 21st, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Hi Money,
I agree HYIP is much riskier than Autosurf and I like your analysis. Another reason I think is that the Autosurf admins have to interact with his members in the forum on a daily basis in order to retain his members. For that reason, we kind of know what is going on.
But by strategizing, we can still make money from HYIP, knowing basically how much to put in and when to compound. It you don’t feel comfortable about it, simply totally stay away from it.
By the way, that “mygoldgenie” was “my favorite”. That megaplex guy amused me so much by his blatant lying. He thought God was the only one knew about his lying. LOL!!!
JMV
June 21st, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Hey JMV
Yes, you are right we can still make money from HYIPs that is totally true. Hope the old days where a hyip was offering huge ROI and stay alive 2 months (and that is amazing if a hyip stay alive with those huge ROI’s at least we can play with profits and make more and more with our profits without making a risk with our capital).
June 21st, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Mygoldgenie is the worst human kind that I have seen (One of the worst LOL) he really thought that everyone will believe his lies but anyways this is human he tried to impress the people with some videos “I am rich” Lol but look at it is just another rat (Ooops I said it?)
June 21st, 2007 at 8:32 pm
by the way that suscribtion comment is great I got an email saying that someone commented here so I came
June 21st, 2007 at 8:34 pm
thanks GOD I was away from mygoldgenie I did not liked the design at least it worked with me following the design technique no?
June 21st, 2007 at 8:36 pm
I am really tired of hyips and this industry i need help from you guys it seems that you are making money and not losing like hell
June 21st, 2007 at 8:40 pm
Mike: hey mike that is the point of this great plugin people can still get the latest comments on their favorite post.
Alfred90: I follow sometimes this if the site has a good design why not investing? At least the admin paid a little bit more than others so that means he needs more time to scam his members
Newbie212: I will recommend you to read this article that I made:
http://www.etalkmoney.com/moneygeneral/this-industry-sux/
Just will recommend not to invest huge nowadays with those issues (like e-gold and others) so the admin can make a excuse to close his program.
June 21st, 2007 at 8:42 pm
thanks money I will really like to learn how to predict which autosurf to join or not I am always sign up under the referral that is here to reward you
I really love etalkmoney many times you save my money with those warning I will read the article right now (don’t know why I did not read it already)
I will signup also in the rss so I can be in touch when I forget to check this site
June 21st, 2007 at 10:48 pm
Hi Newbie212,
This is where I am now.
I am a chicken when I see a HYIP. I only put in $100 and get it back as soon as I can and then play with the profit and have fun.
But when I see the opportunity in a good Autosurf, I am a lion. I put in larger amount.
Follow your gut feeling and read a lot. Knowledge is power!!
JMV
June 21st, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Hey JMV I follow this ” Knowledge is power and security the myth”
June 21st, 2007 at 10:56 pm
Coopersview thanks for the input can you recommend any good autosurf
i am not a big investor just building my capital here
June 21st, 2007 at 10:57 pm
This is a very interesting post here eTalkmoney, what do you think about an article: Traditional Atosurf VS ProfitShare Sites?
I would like to hear something about that and comments.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:08 pm
Hey Moboking that is a great idea, I will try to make a research about it and see when i can publish it. Do you have any special points that you want to ? ma be it can help me in the research.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:53 pm
I got this answer from Trevor, back in our newscast #1, I will use the CEP sites example for a profitshare since are the ones that basically start the concept and so far still paying, here is what CEP calls the 3 key elements for a profitshare site to survive:
[quote]For a profit share site to survive and prosper, it needs 3 very important things. First, the Admin really need an understanding of how the profit share system works. Most of the new profit share sites are being run incorrectly. They (the admin) have to leave greed at the door, and be willing to put into the company rather than pull out from it. With the CEP sites, a lot is put back into the company. This concept of putting back into the company is extremely important, especially during the slow times. Admin that put money back into the company are helping the site remain stable and are giving it a huge shot at longevity. The old saying, it takes money to make money comes into play here.
That brings us to the second important thing; outside sources of income. Plain and simple, without an outside source of income, there is no real chance of sustainability. A substantial outside income stream is definably better to have, but even smaller streams are beneficial to the sites success. If a profit share site is solely dependant upon inside advertising revenue, it will come to a point where it will have to dip into the reserve to maintain their percentages, or at the worst, they will run out of money to pay what they owe their members.
The third most important thing a successful profit share site must have is a loyal membership base. Without this, there is no success on the horizon for a PS site. Members tend to flee when the percent drops a point. Either because they are not reassured by the Admin or they themselves don’t fully understand the PS model, they pull up stakes and literally walk away from a potential good thing. A loyal membership base will stick with the programs during the slow times, and reap the rewards for their loyalty.
It is a combination of these three key elements that makes a successful profit share site. If any of the three are missing, the site will struggle, and will likely fail. There are more things for sure, that will aide in a successful PS site, but these 3 are the big ones. The key elements, if you will[/quote]
This would be for a profitshare, but off course the also new “Hybrid” concept that we can see at EliteAdShare is also very interesting.
Sure hope you can put together and interesting article again.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:33 am
Thanks Moboking
I will try to do my best.
June 22nd, 2007 at 8:15 am
Hi Money,
You are right. Beside knowledge, we need luck and blessing. Keep counting your blessing; it will come back tenfold.
Hi Newbie, Money has just posted weekly update; I will post my comment there.
JMV
July 26th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
i hate hyips and autosurfs, only join top of them to play a little